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How to Find Studs through Stucco

I am often asked if it is possible to scan through stucco exterior walls. Contractors, remodelers, and DIYers are often surprised that Zircon does not recommend their tools for outdoor use on surfaces such as stucco. However, we have some tips that may still help you get the job done when you need to locate studs behind a stucco exterior wall.

Why Not Stucco?

Stud finders are designed to scan through sheet materials that have a consistent thickness and density and have a fairly smooth surface. Stucco walls typically have chicken wire, or some other metal mesh, embedded in the stucco and that metal barrier will prevent your stud finder from sensing the increased density necessary to locate the studs.

Real World Example

Al, a general contractor who has served as part of Zircon’s pro user focus groups for 15 years, recently encountered this problem. He had already built several redwood flower boxes and wanted to fasten the boxes to the exterior walls of the green stucco building.

The stucco exterior of this building contains metal mesh that prevents stud finders from working. (You can use a Zircon tool with metal scan mode to determine if there is metal mesh in the stucco).

The stucco exterior of this building contains metal mesh that prevents stud finders from working. (You can use a Zircon tool with metal scan mode to determine if there is metal mesh in the stucco).

While Al has been an expert user of Zircon products for many years, he was having difficulty finding the studs through the stucco due to the wire mesh.

Al explained that he wanted to fasten the flower boxes to the exterior walls of a commercial building, but he was having trouble finding the studs through the stucco. I proposed the tips outlined below, which can also work for people who need to install things like awnings, lighting, flag pole brackets, hand rails, or satellite dishes to stucco walls.

Work-Around Solution

The work-around solution is to locate the studs on the interior walls and then carefully measure the distance from the studs to a door or window, and transfer the exact same measurement to the outside of the building.

Locate the studs on an inside wall, and very carefully measure the distance from the studs to a window or door.  Tip: Don’t measure off the window trim.  Measure from the edge of the glass so you know the exact same reference point can be found outside.

Work-around Solution. Step 1. Locate the studs on an inside wall, and very carefully measure the distance from the studs to a window or door. Tip: Don’t measure off the window trim. Measure from the edge of the glass so you know the exact same reference point can be found outside.

Note, do not use the window trim as your reference point. Instead, measure from where you can actually see through the glass, so you know the reference point is the same on the inside as well as the outside of the building. And, of course, you must be very precise with your measurements! Perhaps you’ve heard the saying, “Measure twice, cut once!”

Work around Solution. Step 1. Next go outside and measure the distance from the edge of the glass to the studs behind the stucco exterior wall.  Although somewhat time consuming, many pro users have reported success with this method.  The key is being very careful with the measurements.

Work-around Solution. Step 2. Next go outside and measure the distance from the edge of the glass to the studs behind the stucco exterior wall. Although somewhat time consuming, many pro users have reported success with this method. The key is being very careful with the measurements.

This work-around solution can be time consuming, but well worth it and very necessary. Objects fastened to the exterior of the home are often heavy and exposed to wind force, so it is vital that the heavy objects are fastened securely. This method proved to be successful for Al and for many tradesmen that I have met with for several years.

Al needed to locate the studs to securely fasten the planter boxes he built to the stucco walls.  I advised him of the work around solution.

Project success. Al needed to locate the studs to securely fasten the planter boxes he built to the stucco walls. I advised him of the work-around solution.

Metal or No Metal?

To determine whether your stucco has metal or not, use a Zircon metal detector, such as the MetalliScanner® m40 or a MultiScanner® i520 in metal scan mode. Some newer construction buildings use a fiberglass product embedded in the stucco, so if there is no metal mesh, you can use the DeepScan® mode in your StudSensor™ or MultiScanner® stud finders. However, if the building has wire mesh in the stucco, then try these work around tips for locating studs behind stucco.

We’re Here to Help

Al’s situation, and those like his, is useful for Zircon to learn and use real-life settings to test, analyze, research, and engineer better tools. And by the way, you don’t need to have a friend at Zircon like Al does to call for help. Our customer service team of product experts are available to answer your questions at 1-800-245-9265 Mon – Fri, 8 a.m. – 5 p.m. PST. You can also visit www.zircon.com.

For additional customer service insights, please view the popular Zircon in the Real World blog, “A Wall is a Wall is a Wall“.

Zircon continuously develops, designs, and manufactures a variety of new products that meet the needs of both professionals and DIY enthusiasts alike. Be sure to follow them at Twitter, like them on Facebook, or visit www.zircon.com for the latest product news.

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Famous for beautiful views, much of California’s Highway 1 runs along cliffs on the Pacific Coast, but mudslides from the steep terrain above Highway 1 often close sections of the road for months at a time, including here at Devil’s Slide.

Famous for beautiful views, much of California’s Highway 1 runs along cliffs on the Pacific Coast, but mudslides from the steep terrain above Highway 1 often close sections of the road for months at a time, including here at Devil’s Slide.

Zircon end-users really appreciate that they can call or email us with their questions and quickly get answers from someone who really knows the products very well. One day when I was covering a shift on Zircon’s end-user help desk, I got a call from the crew who were building the Devil’s Slide tunnel.

Entrance to Tunnel – The State of California decided to build 2 tunnels; 1 for northbound traffic, and 1 for southbound traffic.

Entrance to Tunnel – The State of California decided to build 2 tunnels; 1 for northbound traffic, and 1 for southbound traffic.

Each tunnel is approx. 4,200 feet long (about 4/5ths of a mile).  It is a much more challenging application for using the MT6 compared to a concrete and steel building or slab because of the massive amount of rebar. I told Zircon’s engineers that instead of a concrete wall with steel reinforcement, Devil’s Slide Tunnel is more like a steel wall with concrete filler.

Each tunnel is approx. 4,200 feet long (about 4/5ths of a mile). It is a much more challenging application for using the MT6 compared to a concrete and steel building or slab because of the massive amount of rebar. I told Zircon’s engineers that instead of a concrete wall with steel reinforcement, Devil’s Slide Tunnel is more like a steel wall with concrete filler.

They were having trouble using the Zircon MT6 to locate rebar in the ceilings of the mechanical room. They needed to miss the rebar to install ventilation. The problem was that the tool seemed to indicate metal everywhere.

Because Devil’s Slide is such a large infrastructure project, and in earthquake country, a massive amount of steel exists compared to a typical concrete wall or floor. I decided to go to the site to see if I could help them. Please see photos and captions for the solution we found.

The 2 tunnels are connected with 10 mechanical rooms, and this is the first location where they needed to use MT6. The California State contract requires that the workers must scan the concrete with a metal scanner such as the MT6 before penetrating it with a fastener to install this ventilation system.

The 2 tunnels are connected with 10 mechanical rooms, and this is the first location where they needed to use the MT6. The California State contract requires that the workers must scan the concrete with a metal scanner such as the MT6 before penetrating it with a fastener to install this ventilation system.

Before using any scanner the workers hit rebar about 1/3 of the times they drilled, so they would have to try a new location and patch the unneeded hole, as you can see in this first of ten mechanical rooms. But for mechanical rooms 2 – 10 (using a Zircon MT6) they were about 99% successful in missing the rebar.  Rather than focusing the MT6 to finding metal, instead we looked for the weakest signals, and that system worked.

Before using any scanner, the workers hit rebar about 1/3 of the times they drilled, so they would have to try a new location and patch the unneeded hole, as you can see in this first of ten mechanical rooms. But for mechanical rooms 2 – 10 (using a Zircon MT6) they were about 99% successful in missing the rebar. Rather than focusing the MT6 to finding metal, instead we looked for the weakest signals, and that system worked.

The next job for the MT6 was in the main tunnels.  Again the workers needed to scan before installing fasteners for Jet Fans, but now they would be high up in a bucket.  The light weight of the MT6 was perfect for performing multiple overhead scans, and they appreciated that it was very quick to scan and determine the weakest magnetic field where they could install a 4 ½ fastener and miss the rebar.

The next job for the MT6 was in the main tunnels. Again, the workers needed to scan before installing fasteners for Jet Fans, but now they would be high up in a bucket. The lightweight nature  of the MT6 was perfect for performing multiple overhead scans, and the workers appreciated that it was very quick to scan and determine the weakest magnetic field where they could install a 4 ½ inch fastener and miss the rebar.

When Zircon was doing research and development on the new x8 metal scanner we took a prototype unit to the crew at Devil’s Slide.  Although the MT6 had been an extremely useful tool that saved them a lot of time and money, they really liked the x8, and they completed the job of installing fasteners to support the jet fans in the tunnel using the x8.  Two features they especially liked on the x8 are 1) the lighted screen, and 2) the ability to select three sensitivity settings.  They suggested it needed a loop for a wrist strap to prevent dropping the x8, and we incorporated it into the final design.

When Zircon was doing research and development on the new MetalliScanner x8 metal scanner we took a prototype unit to the crew at Devil’s Slide. Although the MT6 had been an extremely useful tool that saved them a lot of time and money, they really liked the x8, and they completed the job of installing fasteners to support the jet fans in the tunnel using the x8. Two features they especially liked on the x8 are 1) the backlit screen, and 2) the ability to select three sensitivity settings. The workers suggested it needed a loop for a wrist strap to prevent dropping the x8, and we incorporated it into the final design.

The Devil’s Slide project is a great example of showcasing the ease of use, functionality, and performance of Zircon’s tools. Whether you’re a do-it-yourselfer or a professional tool user, we’re happy to answer your Zircon tool questions. Our Zircon in the Real World blog, “We Just Want it to Work” addresses this subject in more detail and I invite you to take a look. Please also follow us @zircontools, like us on Facebook, or visit http://www.zircon.com.